#47 – Robert Downey Jr. & Mark Ruffalo – Actors on Actors

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I was just bartending at that time and that’s what you heard about me

We really met when Fincher cast us in “Zodiac”

I called Fincher recently because in retrospect, everything changes. It's like 15 years later you have such a different perspective on stuff. And then, for me, even after working with Nolan, I developed a new respect for Fincher. But I remember, that was maybe the first time we really had our feet put to the fire with an exacting director, a real director, who does things a certain way

We're shooting a scene in the mail room, and we've done it about 60 times. And Mark's been working a bunch of days in a row. I'm feeling a bit mischievous. And he's like, “we got it, right?” And I was like, “yeah, this is ridiculous.” And then Fitcher says, “well, do we got it?” He goes, “Downey, come here. I want the scene to start like this. I want it to work out as a oner?” “You want it to work as a oner? No, we don't have it.” And he goes, “Downey says, we don't have it. So Mark, you can go to lunch. We'll scrap all those takes and we'll start over again.” Exactly. And you just looked at me. He invented the delete button. There was no delete button ever in digital cinema. And he specifically had it invented so that he could say, “we're going to delete takes 1 through 45.” And you're just like, “no, no, no, no, 38 was my baby.”

It's not that you want it to be done. It’s that you want to feel that there’s progress that’s being made because you’re helping.

You just want someone to say, “That was good enough. Let’s move on”

Everything is a constant battle between either seeking approval or seeking my own subjective, kind of like, being able to maintain interest over time

They didn't really cast people like us. And just to see you transform that whole concept of what a studio picture was, and to elevate sort of this character work within that big tent pole system, which appealed so massively to so many different people, and made this space for other people like us. You know, I’ll never forget, I was like “I don't know if I'm right for this.” And you're like, “Come on, Ruffalo. We got this.”

It is a surreal experience to be sitting here with you all these years later. And now to both be here on behalf of projects that I think we're so proud of and are done by such gifted filmmakers

You've done it all. I mean, you have it all. You don't have to prove anything to anybody

You always wonder, someone else believes in you. That person is formidable. You've seen their other work. This is an opportune moment and yet it's natural to have that doubt

My wife was like, “you have to do this” and everyone was like, “you have to do it.” But you really have to get outside of your comfort zone and you also start to doubt yourself like you were saying. You hit 55 and you think, “Maybe it's as good as I’ll get, maybe I am on the downward slide now.” And I also at that time was really tired of my brand

We had this amazing rehearsal period which we've never had. It was literally 10 days of just theater games, dancing, singing, movement, playing with each other's faces and bodies, and then playing together as a group, and then we'd probably spent maybe only 20% on the actual script

As you're playing the character, and the story is still surfacing its way up through the subconscious a little bit, and you just get really free, and you could go broad, or you could go small. And no one's judging. Everyone's laughing. You can't do anything wrong, you can't do anything right

You already did this in rehearsal. You know what you're doing

I wish every first day was a screen test

Be subtle, do less, let the emotion come to the forefront

There were no set chairs, so it was very spartan

He demands and requires this almost monastic energy

At the same time I’ve never ever in my career worked with a less judgmental director. I've been in situations that were exacting and it seemed like if I would just do it correctly one time, we wouldn't have to still be here. Whereas that was the exact opposite, he said, “we do all these things to give you the time you need”

I've never seen you play someone who is hopelessly hung up on something he can't control

There's not a lot of room to be a human being anymore

The character is so dark and so fucked up and so selfish, all the things that we’re not supposed to be. It's almost like you're behaviorally modeling the world that you're wondering about. Exactly, and blowing it open

We're getting squashed into these boxes that don't let us express ourselves the way that we're made to express ourselves

You're one of those fine artists who is constantly growing as they move through their career. That's rare

How refreshing it was to not be playing the genius

I wasn't doing the right things while I was wondering why my life wasn't going the right way

Nobody wants to see your old ass anymore

Can I please stop dieting and working out now?

That's when I begin to really trust someone. It’s when they are changeable, and they're not fixed, they're not obsessive, they're actually exploring

You'd have an exercise where every movement that I made, you had to move your arm accordingly

It was safe chaos. He didn't want it to feel choreographed

Sometimes you're doing theater so long that by the time you're doing film you're too big. Sometimes you're doing film so long that by the time you're doing theater you're too small

I hate it when people poo-poo a genre, because they're all hard, and they're all high art when they're done well

I always wonder if something about the organic nature of how something starts and how pure it is and the confidence of the people who bring It Forward isn't a great contributor

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